Posts by Las Malvinas son Argentinas

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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A profile called #lloydgate on Twitter has been posting lots of older Twitter posts by Lloyd crying about financial matters, mostly trivial. I think these tweets provide an insight to the real Lloyd Evans.

That’s a good point. I’ve never seen someone argue so vehemently about not receiving a refund for £117 like that. He went on and on about it in public. What exasperates that situation is that it’s not like he was scrubbing toilets to earn the £117; it was donated to him. Also he was pulling in at the time €4K - €5K a month and £117 to him was probably the price of taking his wife and child to dinner in London, which he was complaining about staying an extra night in.

He tagged everyone whom he either blamed or felt they should be helping him - Qatar Airways, KLM, the Australian foreign dept, Aussie MPs, PayPal, etc…

I worked closely with him and certainly was of the understanding that he was on a tight budget. I think “tight” was probably more appropriate

This is key to understanding why Lloyd acted like he did last year in the aftermath. Not only did he feel personally betrayed and attacked, but he felt like he was being ripped off. His comparison of being “burgled at gunpoint” was an accurate description in his mind. If he was going nuclear over £117, one can only imagine how he felt when his forms had shown that he lost €69K last year in revenue when compared to 2021’s take. When he stated in the Patron video that he “panicked” when he sent out the begging tweet, the correct emotion to describe what Lloyd was feeling was probably fury.

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

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this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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A new JWD scandal in the making

To that end, I propose that the ban on "cedars" be lifted and Lloyd Evans be invited to refute slimboyfat's, vienne's, or both of their posts here. That ought to calm things down.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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He has convinced himself that he cannot be an activist if he isn't a "professional" one, by which he means that his activism work generates enough income for him --and his family, and Tibor-- to live comfortably.

He received €82K in revenue. We don't know exactly how that breaks down, but there are three possible streams for Ipsilon Media - YT ad revenue, Google ad revenue and Patreon. Book sales and merchandise I believe are funneled through JLE Publishing in the UK. That was £10K last I looked. So essentially, he has well over €90K of revenue he received through selling books and merchandise, ad revenue Google and YT sent him, and Patreon. And he told Andrew Gold and in other instances that Patreon was by far the largest income source.

If he wants to hire Tibor and Dijana, fine - nothing illegal about that. But he has €90K to work with, so figure it the fuck out. Hint: The more employees you have and the more they are paid, the less you will be compensated as the owner. If he can't afford them, then sack them (well, he can't fire Dijana) or something else has got to drop. He's well compensated enough to figure out issues such as staffing, salaries and purchasing/replacing equipment. If he has to lay Tibor off, then he needs to go back to what he was doing before 2020 and edit the fucking videos himself.

To take his payroll and equipment issues to the public via Twitter is unprofessional and unheard of. If he's not pulling in enough, then figure out a way to market yourself or improve your branding instead of playing the victim card and initiating bullshit lawsuits. His content and services provided last year took a huge dive, so I don't know what he's complaining about with salary shortages. Might want to make a few internal changes, how about it, chief? Deal with it privately and be a man, not a whiney little bitch.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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See how it works? How people can be manipulated? It's all nonsense.

He’s been doing this for years. It started here over a decade ago with the ~~request~~ demand of $300 for that stupid survey subscription. Always makes it look like he’s doing everyone a service and it’s only fair he’s being reimbursed. I lost count of how many MacBooks he needed. I remember some chatter about needing a new one last year. The old ones are probably being used by his wife and daughter and are still quite functional. Why does he need a new MacBook? He does not do any editing. Shouldn’t Tibor need one? Does he make Tibor use his own equipment? Patrons have a right to know this.

And yes, he never misses an opportunity to express his gratitude toward the donating parties. This is a subtle manipulation tactic which is meant to solicit donations from other parties who are meant to feel like they should have donated as well. The same tactics WT uses when they for no apparent reason relate an anecdote about a child donating their lunch money.

What often gets lost in the shuffle is that he’s is already being funded for these purchases. €82,000 was taken in by Ipsilon Media last year in what was by his account a bad one financially. That’s not enough to purchase a MacBook, Ronin DGI Gimbal and his daughter’s haircut? Figure it out and purchase the MacBook out of that, don’t pay yourself most of it and then claim you still need equipment which is what he’s doing. This is what spoilt kids do. My brother did this all the time by volunteering to go to the market and get some milk, but spending it all on sweets and then coming back and saying it wasn’t enough and he needed more.

When Patrons pledge, they are effectively sending money to Ipsilon Media, care of Lloyd Evans. He decides how the money is distributed within the company, including his cut of the loot. He’s already demonstrated that he cannot be trusted with money.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Do we know for sure what he had in his business account when he did that recent begging session, claiming to be skint? I'd like to demonstrate that he's lying about his financial situation.

He had 61,962 HRK (€8224) in his account. This is actual cash held in the bank, not the value of his equipment which was listed in another section. 4.2.4 is the part you want to look at.

This was what was claimed at the end of 2022, so unless he blew over €8K in the first three weeks of January, he had more than enough to cover his claimed €700 shortfall. In fact, it wasn’t even a shortfall at all. It’s all a clever accounting trick to funnel money to him personally and claim the business was bleeding money.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

We also need to factor in the rising cost of living and high inflation levels respectively.

There is also the onset of the summer holiday season and people (esp in Europe) are making their plans. So many factors at work here and I’d hate to stake my living on a a few hundred completely voluntary acts of kindness.

The way lloyd has the tendency to “sanitize” information, I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t know

Lloyd used to have a highly effective firewall against negative information. People stumbling upon the scene are going to notice Jabba the Hutt’s presence first and the way he kept his paying Patrons paying was by monopolising the market and spreading fear to those who defied it. (He still does try to make people afraid but it looks pathetic and only invites more people to speak up). As people started their own online circles, Lloyd was nearly universally praised and the dissenters always had something wrong with them. Evangelicals. Failed and jealous activists. JW Mindsets.

Now it’s not a question of if but when they stumble upon information not convenient to Lloyd and people willing to convey it. The system of fear has been lifted.

This is why his Patronage is always in flux. Gains some, loses more. The free flow of information is such a bitch, and despite his and Tibor’s attempts to label and sideline it, it doesn’t favour Lloyd at all.

He blew his golden opportunity and thought he was too clever to fail.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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He will carry on as usual. I don't think he is going to slow down on the channel as he threatened. It would be an admission of defeat.

All of his threats to this end are pathetic attempts to manipulate his donor base and to try to attract new ones. The problem for him is that there are still roughly 10-20 drops at the end of the month. As he approaches his new lows, these have shrunk to slightly more than 10. This wasn't a problem for him before as he had 30-40 sign up during a given month. Last month he actually had a negative drop during the month which is a large reason why he had no buffer to prevent him from sinking below 400 again.

His business model is at a crossroads. The monthly drops were typical even when he had over 800 patrons. These were from people who dropped due to losing interest, leaving the community, not seeing the need to donate or simply not being able to afford it. So, he has to gain at least 10 during the month to stay even, and 20 -30 gains per month to see any real growth as he outlined in his request to get back to 620, even 500 patrons.

The trend is still slightly downward and he's tried everything for the past 13 months to get it to reverse. This could mean another series of begging/threats to leave, or as I think more likely, he'll be working behind the scenes and letting people know he's hurting. He's gained 4 back so it might be due to private lobbying. I imagine he'll try to keep Tibor and Ramacro as long as he can, since dumping them will create the illusion he's about to fold.

Still, he's lost the entire bump he has received as a result of his begging tweets. He can't keep on running back to this every few months and not have the more rational patrons of his think they are giving money to a sinking ship. 500 and especially 620 patrons are unrealistic goals of his as it sits. Begging failed. He'll try something else not as blatant.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

I was not going to trust blindly that is why I read EVERY linked thread in this thread. It was disgusting to say the least. Everything that people were saying on this thread was true!

The threads he got into arguments on all had a common denominator:

People were upsetting his wife by arguing with him.

I have no reason to doubt she was upset but had every reason to believe he was the one upsetting her by throwing a tantrum because someone had gotten the best of him.

It’s what made his Thailand scandal and the livestream so poignant. He’s always used her and later his children as human shields. Even recently he’s talking about the cost of his daughter’s haircut and making videos with her about unicorns despite the continued sniping.

Yet he humiliates his wife on the livestream and says jack shit about how he upset her other than he owed her an apology for “cheating”. In typical fashion, he blames all of US for “attacking my family” as if he had not abandoned them for a sex holiday in Thailand just weeks earlier. Classic example of moral cowardice.

I’ll leave you with this Patron’s only post. Please note that the date is 31 January and this the same day of the livestream. He actually dared to say him and his family had been dealt a “huge blow” and were in a “healing process” just hours after telling the world that Dijana had never sexually satisfied him and there was something always wrong with their marriage.

And thanks for the thoughtful sentiments for Dijana and the girls! Too bad he didn’t hold himself to that same standard.

In most cultures he would have had the shit kicked out of him by someone in the wife’s family. It is what it is.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

And keep updating those screens. As it has on every other drop day, it will be bleeding well into the evening and probably tomorrow. Since it’s the weekend, it might even bleed into Monday. 386 was his low in December as I remember. 396 was where he felt he needed to beg.

Expect the begging to begin soon guys. Will it work this time again?

It’s a risky move, especially given the threats he made about shutting down Ramacro, letting Tibor go, only doing two a month and finding another job. He begs again, people are going to stop believing his threats.

With that said, I think Ramacro will be the first domino to fall. It never made any sense anyway, and I got called a conspiracy theorist to suggest someone had to be living in what was otherwise a largely empty flat.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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The funniest part of his legal proceedings is that THE ONLY consequence for the M7 is a fine

Though he'd love damages awarded, this is not what he's really after. He wants a judgment that says the M7 is guilty of defaming him so he can wave it round in a victory lap. He's hinted at this before.

Even when he had interesting guests he ruined it because he dominated the conversation himself.

I don't think he's capable of accurately reading an audience and/or people. He just assumes his content is best and that everyone enjoys his schtick. Remember when he was on BBC Radio, but he recorded the video exchange with the reporter? He thought it went well, but I could see the exasperation in the reporter's face and in her voice when she was asking a specific question about JWs and he kept referring to his book and made a drawn-out explanation of it when he could have answered it in 30 seconds. She actually cut the interview short after she tired of him.

Any normal person could carve out a very comfortable life for him at his family at 399 patrons plus the other income streams. But he’s not a normal person.

He wants/wanted to retire in about 10 years' time when he is in his early 50's. He's tweeted about moving on from exJW content and also about how he can see his end game. His response to Andrew Gold was revealing as he talked about living on an island, owning a boat, going fishing, and just leisurely writing books on things JW and non-JW related.

This is why he wants 620 or more patrons. He thinks his content is so great, that it's a living resource and he should continue to be compensated for it even after he stops making videos. Sure, what he earns right now can pay the rent/bills in Zagreb, plus a modest amount to the wife/kids, with enough left over for a couple holidays a year in Croatia, Budapest, UK...

But he desires much more than paying the bills and travelling not far from home. He was well on the way to retirement at 889 Patrons and this is why he is so sour because it means not only does he have to fight just to live the life he lives now, but he's going to have to do this well into his old age at today's level of support.

Yet another reason he should get a job with a real pension program. He's expecting exJWs to pay his rent and living expenses all the way to the grave.